Why not start with British naval Heros?The Governments, Labour and Tories need to be taken to task regarding cutting defence at every opportunity.The site is run on a voluntary basis. No one has come up with a plausible mission that’s worth risking them.There is insufficient manpower.The manpower issue is partially solved by borrowing some of the aircrew off the RAF. They also have facilities for an embarked ASW helicopter. I’m not saying it is good, but T31 project stresses a lot on it.By the way, did Spartan bid to T31e? Over time conventions have evolved but are not applied consistently.
Such optimism in cost, we see many times, T45 (it was said to be 350M GBP unit cost, I remember) and T26 (also 350M or so), and see what happened.
My belief is because they are big everyone if getting unnecessarily critical of these fine vessels.The topic we are on is whether the type 31e will provide an answer to carrier task group escort shortage. Such optimism make big hurt in RN planning and must not be repeated.Its not optimism,its flat out lying. Myself I like the look and spec of the Spartan design.Yes, I was referring to the outline requirements. Now the T21 was heavily flawed I admit, but the main issue was that the civilian designers didn’t leave enough margin for upgrades, something which has been included in the T31 spec. It better fits a post Brexit patrol and policing role.Fitting CAMMs would make a big difference to T31e. It demonstrates how classification of warships has changed. Ships can vary in the number of hull segments and in the order in which they are placed.
If we use the Venator 110 then I would agree that it is a corvette. Qnlz class have same ship crew as an Invincible. The Grigs are the same sort of size as a theoretical T31 (125m, 4000t), and have a 100mm gun, 8 strike length VLS, 32 air defence VLS, a pair of CIWS, 4 torpedo tubes and an ASW rocket launcher. Especially if it’s for exports as well it would look better if we could say ‘over 30 years of operational experience on this but now it’s been modernised.”How about classifying the surface fleet as follows ? I really hope it is t deployed to high intensity theatres of any potential future conflicts.
Sloop may be the most appropriate term for Type 31e given the general understanding of the term Corvette in European usage being mostly short ranged, lower endurance and reduced weapon capacity. No info on it. Provide space for something like a cannister launched Harpoon replacement for ASuW in the future, and the Mk41 can be packed with Tomahawks or (fingers crossed) ASROC.Any disagreement, or shall we all head over to Whitehall and get things moving on this?Less than £60mn actually. However, if we go for something like the Sparton then it would definitely be a frigate.
It’s capabilities reduced due to fiscal considerations.
People should at least do some credible research before making derogatory comments.What about the crew?
All the ship need have is provision for a single phalanx. Cruisers in the modern sense are big, heavily armed command platforms, like the Kirovs or the original Invincible designIt’s a waste of money, and just a poor excuse and attempt by the government too blind us, by building 5 useless ships for the simple purpose of numbers of ships the Royal Navy doesn’t want or need.. that’s not including the funding in RnD of the design.. Bab-el-Mendeb.Of course, building it to a baseline commercial standard and thereby limiting its survivability if hit, undercuts its credibility as a fighting ship.Only the Babcock design is to comercial standards.
On 18 August 2017, Damen announced the keel laying for one SIGMA 10514 Long Range Ocean Patrol Vessel (SIGMA 10514 LROPV/ SIGMA 10514 POLA) at Damen Schelde Naval Shipyard in Vlissingen for the Mexican Navy. No existing OPV could be rated as a small class warship like a Corvette in their current form.
This leaves the Fleet stretched and unable to fulfil all of their tasks.
Corvettes are normally operated by second-tier navies that may need to engage in full naval combat operations, but not for a sustained period or over long distances.
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